The receivers are made by VLTOR here in the US and the barrels are made by none other than FN Herstal, which is one reason why I think they shoot so well.Aren't they (AUGs) being produced domestically now?
Uhhhh, well in my youth...I may or may not have used a Zastava NPAP as a squirrel rifle for a brief period of time...so I'm sure an AUG would make a fine one.How would this thing do as a squirrel rifle?
ā¦AUGs ā¦trigger characteristics are poor even by service Rifle standards.
Ia the factory trigger ok on the IWI ? Or did you drop in a Timney pack ?^That^ is why I went with IWI x95ās (wound up w one in olive drab and the second in FDE ..)
I have one. It reminded me of a glock. Adding in the lightning bow fixed most of the squish for me and it's an acceptable trigger now.Ia the factory trigger ok on the IWI ? Or did you drop in a Timney pack ?
One of the ones Century built per chance?I've always liked bullpups. Had an AK bullpup that was kinda cool. I'm still leery of having one for serious use because it seems like malfunctions would be a bear to clear, and because of that Murphy would certainly show himself at the most inconvenient moment.
Those things aren't even bullpups so much as they are weird plastic shells to make a normal rifle think it's a bullpup.I've always liked bullpups. Had an AK bullpup that was kinda cool. I'm still leery of having one for serious use because it seems like malfunctions would be a bear to clear, and because of that Murphy would certainly show himself at the most inconvenient moment.
I understand that and some bullpups would definitely be much more difficult to clear a serious malfunction on that the AUG.I've always liked bullpups. Had an AK bullpup that was kinda cool. I'm still leery of having one for serious use because it seems like malfunctions would be a bear to clear, and because of that Murphy would certainly show himself at the most inconvenient moment.
Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I'd much prefer a chrome lined barrel though I'm glad it's at least cold hammer forged.My main complaint about newer AUGs is they dropped the chrome-lining for a nitride finish for the barrels.
I know people always talk about the poor triggers on bullpups due to the long transfer bar, etc, but they don't bother me. They're not my 'accuracy' rifles, and I don't need them to be better to ring steel at hundreds of yards.
Almost everyone can qualify with a stock Colt trigger on an M16A2, iron sights, to 500 yards. None of my AR's have aftermarket triggers in them because I don't shoot them beyond 500, and mostly less than 100, nor do I shoot for groups with those type of rifles.
Out-of-the-box, most won't like a bullpup's trigger, But put several hundred rounds out of it, get used to it, then see if you want an upgrade.
I think he means shooting a passing score on a military range. As in qualify "marksman" or "expert marksman""Qualify" for what?
I think he means shooting a passing score on a military range. As in qualify "marksman" or "expert marksman"
Was just curious. If "almost everyone can do it" it seems to be a pretty low standard, indeed.
I thought I was clear, but what I meant was that if someone - many - that have never shot a rifle can be taught to shoot targets at 500 yards with a stock AR trigger and iron sights - I think most can be pretty accurate with a stock bullpup trigger within a few hundred yards.
The USMC might have had a "low standard" to qual out to 500, or, they just trained folks in 2 weeks to get good, and with an average trigger.
I was asking because it didnāt seem clear to me at all. āQualifyā can mean any number of things when discussing guns.
Personally, if you can āget goodā in two weeks, then yes that is absolutely a very low standard, lol. For literally anything that takes any technique or ability at all.
But I get your point: you donāt mind milspec triggers in ARs or stock triggers in bullpup. Youāll save money for sure!
Yep, I got it. I thought it was clear, but it wasn't for you so I 'esplaned' myself better, lol.
If you think the Marine Corps has a low standard in passing their rifle quals, that's ok. The range was the easiest 2 weeks on Parris Island, so I don't think you'd get too many complaints if they extended that! But I've been to training across the country for decades; patrol rifle schools, FBI carbine instructor school, HK schools, yadda, yadda, yadda - and nothing compared to what I learned on the range on P.I. oh-so-many years ago. I also don't know many who've invested even 2 long weeks of intense (130+ hrs in 14 days) of professional rifle instruction.
My Colt Elite came with a factory enhanced trigger - that's an awesome trigger compared to stock. But that's a longer range, or more precision set-up. My 200 yd and in set-ups (almost everything) has standard triggers that I have grown used to and use well.
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Like most things, it's a matter of training. The best handgun shooter I've ever seen used a stock Glock 19 with a NY trigger! He worked on the side for Blackwater and others, but got used to that - the worst trigger - and can shoot circles around good shooters with aftermarket triggers, because he put in the time and maybe some special, natural ability.
I don't think it's a low standard for the Marines.
I think it's a low standard for me. I would expect it to be foundational and a great place to start.
Interesting that guy chooses a NY trigger. First guy I have ever heard of who prefers it. I think NY went away from them as it decreased their performance and accuracy. We need to send them over to the marines for that two weeks of training!
Just my opinions!