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Someone needs to slap him in his muzzy lovin, c@¢π$U¢π!#G mouth.
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Someone needs to slap him in his muzzy lovin, c@¢π$U¢π!#G mouth.
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Wow, you are strong. Watching Geraldo! What a tool he is.... Remember when he was crapping his panties when his daughter got near the Paris attacks. How soon the fools forget.
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Has anyone blamed Ariana yet, for bringing her scantily, and provocatively clad "act" to and area of high muzzy population?
Yeah, that fine young example of leftisit womanhood should have been more culturally sensitve. WTF us wrong with her?
The government hasn't gotten all the goodies out of 9/11 yet....for We, the People still accept the limitations on our Rights the government imposed as a result of the attack.
Let enough of us get uppity and demand that Freedom back and watch how quickly "they attack us because of our Freedom" to scare us back into demanding the government spy on us, strip search us and the like.
The fear of 9/11 has yet to fully run its course.
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Well, that shouldn't a had any effect...
After all, peace is all they want; least, that's the horsesh*t the media seems intent on spoon feeding folks every evening at 6:00.
Their PM on the news now. The librul runs deep in that one. It's almost as disgusting as the comments on librul social media about not jumping to conclusions....
If they want to play this game, maybe we should give them a taste of the high roller edition. What's that expression about leaving them with nothing but the laments of their wailing women?
To think that roughly 80-85 years ago these people (Britts) were in a fight for their very existence, now they make weakly worded statements about prayers for the victims while the "authorities" investigate and bringing a perpetrator to justice.
Unbelievable.
I was in washington a couple months ago there was a Muslim in a wheelchair with one leg sitting in front of a mosque. They had signs up that read stop American terrorism and other shit. As they were walking into the mosque they were giving him money and shanking his hand paying their respects to him. I wanted to pull my truck up on the curb and roll coal. What i didnt know until then is we have a very open anti american Muslim population here.
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A completely honest view of American foreign policy towards the Middle East since World War II would have to accept that the United States government is a State sponsor of terrorism.
Before folks get their jimmies in a wad (or hell, afterwards - the truth doesn't care about one's feelings), take a breath and think about it objectively.
Fundamentally, a Hellfire, GBU-38 (JDAM) OR Tomahawk that kills predominantly women and children, seemingly at random, unleashed by one country against another in which they are not at war is no different than a suicide bomber or car bomb or pressure cooker bomb to the guy that has to bury his wife or children.
If the Chinese were targeting "radicalized Americans" as "terrorists" who maybe posted to websites calling for the destruction of China, drone struck a house of one and your kid was playing in the yard and was also killed - in your mind, it that just unfortunate collateral damage or terrorism? Especially if those strikes result in 40-50 unrelated deaths for every "radicalized American" killed?
I certainly think Western foreign policy in general and American foreign policy in particular has lead to Americans being targeted by jihadis - it's called blowback, and regardless of our government's position that it doesn't exist and we're the "good guys," the recipients of American "good will" certainly don't feel that way, just as we would feel if we were the recipients of Chinese "good will."
Unfortunately, what 70 years of such disastrous foreign policy has left us is only 2 real options if we're going to end this: back out of the Third World shithole a and live with the results (random attacks from time to time) until they die off - or utter annihilation and genocide.
Our government has no intention of doing either, because the dollar is now backed by military interventionism and derives it's value from debt and the blood of our children.
The war was never and is never meant to be won; it is meant to be continuous.
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Made at least one arrest as of 3 hours ago...no name yet.
Any bets on an "Asian" name?
Any bets on an "Asian" name?
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IrishCannon
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Man I hope Antifa comes to Mooresville.
Anyways, woke upon to this story. Slammed my coffee and went to poop where I do my AM news reading. Sadly, I am never shocked by this anymore.
Man I hope Antifa comes to Mooresville.
Anyways, woke upon to this story. Slammed my coffee and went to poop where I do my AM news reading. Sadly, I am never shocked by this anymore.
One ought not to take such a decision so lightly. The self-inflicted choice, as it is, is choosing between victimhood or becoming the very evil we've claimed to fight for the entire existence of the Republic.
It's as existential a question as can be asked for a nation - and in choosing either path, the Republic may very well draw it's last breath.
A government, and People, capable and willing to commit genocide often finds themselves consumed by the Leviathan tat devoured it's enemies.
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Yep.
Here is the statement from the Islamic State:
"With Allah's grace and support, a soldier of the Khilafah managed to place explosive devices in the midst of the gatherings of the Crusaders in the British city of Manchester, in revenge for Allah's religion, in an endeavor to terrorize the mushrikin, and in response to their transgressions against the land of the Muslims. The explosive devices were detonated in the shameless concert arena, resulting in 30 Crusaders being killed and 70 others being wounded. And what comes next will be more severe on the worshipers of the Cross and their allies, by Allah's permission. And all praises due to Allah, Lord of the creation."
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I can express how whole heartedly I am sincere about my next statement... I wish we would just turn whole middle east into a sheet of glass.
Chuckman
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That is one of the most insane things I have read today (to be fair, it is only 8:57; I anticipate reading a whole lot of insane things today).
Our foreign policy has been screwed up, jacked up, broken, unethical, misguided, misdirected, occasionally illegal, but engaged in state-sponsored terrorism?? Newp.
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Not surprising to me.
Try to consider US and UK meddling in the Middle East from a Middle Easterner's perspective. Our deaths number in the thousands. Theirs is in the 7 figure range. Several hundred thousand deaths in Syria alone. All because "Assad must go" for reasons that have what exactly to do with the interests of American citizenry?
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I think that the point that @SPM was trying to make is that from their perspective we've been committing unfounded and unwarranted attacks on their civilian population and assisted their enemies in the process of backing one faction or another. Keep in mind that every regime, fictional or real, including the German Third Reich and the Empire in Star Wars thought that they were the "good" guys.
We have but two options: get the hell out or send them back to the Stone Age. I used to play Sid Myer's Civilization and when version 2 came out on Win95 the fundamentalist regimes would commit acts of terrorism and the world would condemn them. I would get sick of it and declare war which was seen as an international violation. I didn't care. When my bombers reduced their cities to rubble and teams would go in an exterminate their population, which was also seen as a horrific atrocity, it didn't much matter after my population basked in the spoils of war and conquest which kept even the loudest complainers quiet. It didn't take too long before what was left of them was so inconsequential they never bothered anyone ever again.
Eventually something is going to happen and the civilized people will go insane. When that day comes, Islam will likely become but a bad memory.
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drypowder
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Something worth reflecting on for those who think in terms of good guys and bad guys, and see America as the good guy.
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Dale Gribble
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Bet he's Lutheran or Independent Baptist.
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To your second point first, I agree. I do not believe in partial conflict; either all-in, or all-out. This is excepting that grey area of FID/advising/and SOF shooting booger eaters in the face.
To your first point: I fully accede there has been tremendous collateral damage to non-combatants which only bolster 'the other side', and which they use in effective propaganda for their own benefit. You (not 'you' you, but the royal 'you') can label anything you want...terrorist, freedom fighter, insurgent, guerrilla, etc., but at the end of the argument, they all have some very special definitions which set them aside from the others. It's been a while since I have worn a uniform but don't know of a single operation in which the goal was the purposeful killing of non-combatants to achieve a psychological or political goal, but concede the booger eaters could spin almost any non-linear/asymmetrical operation to paint that picture to their constituents.
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Hiroshima, Nagasaki?
Dresden.
Chuckman
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Agreed. There is 'love,' and there is 'love.' I try to live by the Golden Rule, but the Bible is clear about how to act/respond to apostates:
Proverbs 4:14: Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evildoers.
Psalms 1:1: Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers,
2 Corinthians 6:14: Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
And of course, Psalm 144: 1-3: Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war,
my fingers for battle. my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me.
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Well we have armed a bunch of middle eastern terror groups haven't we? Any way you slice it, the USA is not the good guy many perceive it to be. Our St Dept and foreign policy have been way off the rails for pretty much my entire existence.
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Oh, yeah, those (and Dresden). Good points, and other thread on the morality of those tactics.
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I never claimed it to be. In fact, I claimed otherwise.
So if we arm and support terrorists exactly what should we be called? I am not saying we operate in the same manner as ISIS with our armed forces, but we do contribute to the problem in our own special way. Our Government, and therefore our country, is not the good guy any longer.
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It should read do not murder. Sometimes killing is necessary.
Chuckman
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Our actions have consequences. Our inactions have consequences. We usually back the wrong horse in many conflicts in which we have no reason to intervene. But I stand by the US does not back state-sponsored terrorism. If you want to call waterboarding torture, OK, I would buy that. But based on the thread several threads ago if you want to go that route, I am OK calling the people we back counter-insurgents and freedom-fighters. We all decided it means what we believe it to mean, right?
OK then, I'm going to ask you to look at the pictures below and tell me which ones are victims of "real terrorism" and which ones are victims of attacks ordered by the US government.
Which ones are "the terrorists" and which ones are US government ordered strikes? I didn't include any of the attacks by US government backed rebel groups (you know, the CIA backed rebels that fight and kill the DoD backed rebels that both kill civilians with weapons and training provided by the good 'ol USofA. Didn't want to muddy the waters.)
I mean it both philosophically from their point of view as well as a pragmatic statement of fact.
Our government, a State actor, sponsors and promotes the use of violence to achieve political and social change within a civilian population in the pursuit of both political and economic aims.
It's the literal definition of terrorism as promulgated and accepted by the US government itself.
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What do you suppose regime change is?
Iran in the 50s?
Grenada and Nicaragua?
Iraq, Libya, and now Syria?
I'm not saying the Sailors, Marines, Soldiers and Airmen were the ones fighting for political goals.
Those that sent them were, and are. Hence the State sponsorship piece.
No, they aren't going to tell us that's why we're there (I deployed multiple times for OIF/OEF, both at sea and on the ground, so I'm not speaking out of turn). It's "aiding the drug cartels" or it's "weapons of mass destruction," or it's "Qaddafi tortured his own people" or it's "Assad gassed his own people."
Those are not reasons a country goes to war. Countries go to war for political, economic, and social goals.
They dress it up in romanticized language to ensure we proudly send our sons and daughters to die in it while enslaving our grandchildren with the debt in treasure.
And we do so, waving the flag and singing"God Bless America" while putting our dickskinners in all kinds of cookie jars they don't belong in with the self-righteous assurance that a government comprised of people who LIE to us daily are somehow virtuous and truthful about why we should go kill half-literate goat f#+ker's thousands of miles away that pose no real, creditable danger to these United States except as a result of the decisions made by the suits in Washington.
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