King Roy strikes again...new mandates

pigpen said:
was it kansas last week....forgot about covid for the week i was there....very few masks and everything seemed to be opened for business.

drove through Illinois and that state still has their rest areas closed..
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I thought rest areas were closed everywhere cause of reach arounds & gueer frolicking.
 
I just spoke with someone that is pretty well connected and usually gets things pretty close to correct.
Most Importantly, they don't just talk to be talking....

Be on the lookout for a return to Cooper's Covid PHASE ONE on December 1st.

WTF Cooper???
 
Could just be coincidence or just my mind playing tricks but I went to visit my 84 yr old mom and wore a blue "paper" mask for an hour. I got up to leave and was dizzy as a loon. The vertigo persisted for about an hour or more after leaving and taking off the mask. Longest I have ever worn one to date. I hate the damn things but will wear one when I have to.
 
jimmyjames8 said:
Could just be coincidence or just my mind playing tricks but I went to visit my 84 yr old mom and wore a blue "paper" mask for an hour. I got up to leave and was dizzy as a loon. The vertigo persisted for about an hour or more after leaving and taking off the mask. Longest I have ever worn one to date. I hate the damn things but will wear one when I have to.
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It boils down to personal responsibility which is what you did ... and not be told by an idiot in Raleigh you must.

As to you being dizzy, the blue paper masks should not do that but if it did affect you that way be careful of true N95 masks (the ones that actually do some good) because they can affect your breathing cycle because they do actually filter smaller particles and their fit seals better to your nose and mouth.
 
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My wife had to wear masks working in a surgeon’s office. She got a weird eye infection, and she was convinced it was from her breath blowing up from the mask. Her eye doctor said it was “such n such”, I can’t remember. Then a month later it got in the other eye and she went back to see him. He said it was very unlikely that the one eye caused the other to be infected with this particular malady. She is convinced it is the masks. So she got her boss to agree to let her just wear a clear face shield. I have been after her to retire anyway. If they drop the hammer and say she has to wear a mask again she is out of there.
 
Crazy Carl said:
I'm not wearing one again. Tired of the contact dermatitis on my face and the sneezing & sinus infections fr being forced to wear them for 12 hour shifts at work. Wonder if I'll have to ask anyone the likelihood of keeping their jobs when HR is writing the checks for violations of the ADA.
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I've switched to just wearing some computer glasses and a clip-on face shield
I can wear it all day without any issues if i need to. But I spend a lot of time distanced at my desk so I don't have to worry about it.
 
Timfoilhat said:
Illinois is so broke that even if the rest areas were open the toilets would be plugged or missing and the trash bins overflowing. Keep on driving closed or not.
Signed
An Illinois refugee
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Grabbing a hotel in Mt. Vernon, Ill and maybe 10 cars here on a travel holiday. Very eerie feeling. No inside dining with tons of restuarants around me.
 
BlackGun said:
Grabbing a hotel in Mt. Vernon, Ill and maybe 10 cars here on a travel holiday. Very eerie feeling. No inside dining with tons of restuarants around me.
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that's weird, because i was in TX a couple weeks ago in a COVID hot spot county. The hotels were no-vacancy and the restaurants were busy. some of them were PACKED.
 
It is getting bad at the hospitals in Raleigh. Had to take my wife to Rex late Sunday night due to complications from her surgery the previous week. We got there around 12:30 am Monday morning and had to stay in the emergency room until around noon the next day cause they did not have any beds available. Even then, they sent her to overflow in the neuro icu. Got a call from her yesterday before I left to go see her that they were moving her because they were going to turn where she was at into a covid isolation ward.

Also a lot of the nurses were complaining about the workload due to nurse shortages. If they are exposed they have to quarantine for 14 days even if their covid test is negative. So there are a lot of nurses out due to quarantine even if they test negative after exposure.

One nurse also relayed a story about a nurse at UNC hospital who was working in the covid unit that committed suicide due to dealing with all the death around her. Sounds like PTSD to me. Management needs to take a lesson from the US military on how to deal with this type of problem.

I do not know how it is in the more rural areas but in the big cites it seems like our health care system is starting to get stressed.
 
blewis3 said:
It is getting bad at the hospitals in Raleigh. Had to take my wife to Rex late Sunday night due to complications from her surgery the previous week. We got there around 12:30 am Monday morning and had to stay in the emergency room until around noon the next day cause they did not have any beds available. Even then, they sent her to overflow in the neuro icu. Got a call from her yesterday before I left to go see her that they were moving her because they were going to turn where she was at into a covid isolation ward.

Also a lot of the nurses were complaining about the workload due to nurse shortages. If they are exposed they have to quarantine for 14 days even if their covid test is negative. So there are a lot of nurses out due to quarantine even if they test negative after exposure.

One nurse also relayed a story about a nurse at UNC hospital who was working in the covid unit that committed suicide due to dealing with all the death around her. Sounds like PTSD to me. Management needs to take a lesson from the US military on how to deal with this type of problem.

I do not know how it is in the more rural areas but in the big cites it seems like our health care system is starting to get stressed.
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Granted I'm not in or around hospitals, but SE Charlotte/Matthews seems pretty sedate.

I saw the new color code map they're using to identify hot spots in NC. Seems like Meck isn't being overrun this week. https://files.nc.gov/covid/documents/dashboard/COVID-19-County-Alert-System-Report.pdf
 
blewis3 said:
It is getting bad at the hospitals in Raleigh. Had to take my wife to Rex late Sunday night due to complications from her surgery the previous week. We got there around 12:30 am Monday morning and had to stay in the emergency room until around noon the next day cause they did not have any beds available. Even then, they sent her to overflow in the neuro icu. Got a call from her yesterday before I left to go see her that they were moving her because they were going to turn where she was at into a covid isolation ward.

Also a lot of the nurses were complaining about the workload due to nurse shortages. If they are exposed they have to quarantine for 14 days even if their covid test is negative. So there are a lot of nurses out due to quarantine even if they test negative after exposure.

One nurse also relayed a story about a nurse at UNC hospital who was working in the covid unit that committed suicide due to dealing with all the death around her. Sounds like PTSD to me. Management needs to take a lesson from the US military on how to deal with this type of problem.

I do not know how it is in the more rural areas but in the big cites it seems like our health care system is starting to get stressed.
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Makes sense. If you make a nurse stay home for 2 weeks every time one of these phony tests show a positive there are going to be nurse shortages. This ain’t rocket science, plus we are entering flu season. That will be used to ratchet up the crazy even more.
 
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CZfool68 said:
Makes sense. If you make a nurse stay home for 2 weeks every time one of these phony tests show a positive there are going to be nurse shortages. This ain’t rocket science, plus we are entering flu season. That will. Be used to ratchet up the crazy even more.
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It is even worse than that, if they are exposed to a positive, even if they test negative they are still under quarantine for 2 weeks.
 
People are going off the deep end. I stopped at Walmart on the way home, and the greater/counter, handed me a mask, stating WallyWorld policy is to wear a mask. I just took the mask and dropped it in the cart and shopped with out it.....
 
Last week it was business as usual at Jim's Range/Fayetteville. Some customers and employees had masks on, some did not. Mostly not. Signs on the door said, basically, please wear one.

Today, signs are saying a mask is required to get inside. Wow. Everyone had one on, it was bizarre.
(Two of us shooting didn't have one on in the range part. Others did. Shooters were separated by 3 lanes at least.)

At Mission BBQ, the place was doing good take-out business, everyone is required to mask up.

Fun times in NC. I guess after a couple weeks, we'll be having curfews again.
 
Millie said:
Last week it was business as usual at Jim's Range/Fayetteville. Some customers and employees had masks on, some did not. Mostly not. Signs on the door said, basically, please wear one.

Today, signs are saying a mask is required to get inside. Wow. Everyone had one on, it was bizarre.
(Two of us shooting didn't have one on in the range part. Others did. Shooters were separated by 3 lanes at least.)

At Mission BBQ, the place was doing good take-out business, everyone is required to mask up.

Fun times in NC. I guess after a couple weeks, we'll be having curfews again.
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the new orders are pushing more and more responsibility on businesses to ensure that people are wearing masks - but they still aren't legally able to ask you why you aren't going to wear one and can't make you wear one.

It's probably the biggest game of make believe we will experience in our lifetimes
 
DrScaryGuy said:
the new orders are pushing more and more responsibility on businesses to ensure that people are wearing masks - but they still aren't legally able to ask you why you aren't going to wear one and can't make you wear one.

It's probably the biggest game of make believe we will experience in our lifetimes
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BUT they can refuse service and call law enforcement to Trespass you from their property ... even if the ADA card is played.
 
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BUT they can refuse service and call law enforcement to Trespass you from their property ... even if the ADA card is played.
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They could, but that hasn't happened yet.
I'd be more than willing to leave if they follow me, corner me, and insist I wear a mask. I might squirt my inhaler in their face first though :)
 
NCFubar said:
It boils down to personal responsibility which is what you did ... and not be told by an idiot in Raleigh you must.

As to you being dizzy, the blue paper masks should not do that but if it did affect you that way be careful of true N95 masks (the ones that actually do some good) because they can affect your breathing cycle because they do actually filter smaller particles and their fit seals better to your nose and mouth.
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"study reported in 2005 by the U.S. National Library of Medicine concluded that “dizziness, headache and shortness of breath are commonly experienced by the medical staff wearing N95 masks.”

Just found this link. Had no idea but it did it to me with blue paper mask.
 
I still say its all about hygiene and the mask only a little bit.

How many people do you watch walk out of a public restroom and not wash their hands. Bet a LOT of these folks have gotten Covid.

For the medical and first responders its very different set of rules to keep from getting Covid.
 
My sister is a nurse practitioner in a rural eastern NC county and she says it’s terrible there. High school athlete with no other conditions died of it last week. One day she saw 77 patients. Today the drive thru line stretched out the parking lot and down the road. I don’t support the tyranny and power grab, it should be a personal choice. I hate wearing a mask and mostly haven’t been, but I’m thinking maybe it’s time to start.
 
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"study reported in 2005 by the U.S. National Library of Medicine concluded that “dizziness, headache and shortness of breath are commonly experienced by the medical staff wearing N95 masks.”

Just found this link. Had no idea but it did it to me with blue paper mask.
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I can last about 15 minutes with a blue paper one on, then I NEED AIR!! Just experienced that in Food Lion today. I have claustrophobia and masks make me freak out.......
 
Millie said:
I can last about 15 minutes with a blue paper one on, then I NEED AIR!! Just experienced that in Food Lion today. I have claustrophobia and masks make me freak out.......
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There is truth in that even for thus not claustrophobic ... people change their breathing when their face is covered. I have been using various types of breathing apparatuses (be it a simple respirator, underwater SCUBA or responder SCBA types) for well over 30 years. Wether it being diving or VFD responses my bottle times increased as I became more use to and at ease ... while others went thru bottles in 2/3rd the time. Honestly, wearing a mask doesn’t bother me physically ... if the mask is appropriate for the job and actually makes a difference ... but the idea of some goobernut who has no real clue what’s going on telling me I must is what chafes my chestnuts.
 
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ES44AC said:
I still say its all about hygiene CONTROL and the mask only a little bit.

How many people do you watch walk out of a public restroom and not wash their hands. Bet a LOT of these folks have gotten Covid.

For the medical and first responders its very different set of rules to keep from getting Covid.
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Even the "Good" N95 Masks are nearly (not totally) useless for this mess. Comrade Cooper wants CONTROL of his Subjects!
 
Things are terrible here in Fayetteville. There are triage tents everywhere, refrigerated trailers parked outside the hospital to store the dead, mercy ships have docked at Riverside, and you cant walk anywhere without stepping over bodies.

It's so bad that NONE of the above is happening.

Come on folks. Next I'm going to hear that there are 6-8 hour wait times at the ED at CFV (like there have been for years).

Fear mongering and control of the population.
 
NCFubar said:
There is truth in that even for thus not claustrophobic ... people change their breathing when their face is covered. I have been using various types of breathing apparatuses (be it a simple respirator, underwater SCUBA or responder SCBA types) for well over 30 years. Wether it being diving or VFD responses my bottle times increased as I became more use to and at ease ... while others went thru bottles in 2/3rd the time. Honestly, wearing a mask doesn’t bother me physically ... if the mask is appropriate for the job and actually makes a difference ... but the idea of some goobernut who has no real clue what’s going on telling me I must is what chafes my chestnuts.
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When I was training the hazmat folks at the hospital I spent a lot of time just helping them learn how to breathe with full face non-powered masks and filters, PAPRS and SCBA. The people on the team that were in good shape didn't do much better than the regular folks. They said they could really tell difference in powered vs. non-powered breathing.

Also, the very first thing I did with recruits is test them for claustrophobia. I would start with a mask a couple feet from their face and slowly move it in. The majority did OK until it touched their faces and then they had to fight the fear. Others freaked out at about a foot. When they went to level B I put a mask on them and zipped them up in a level B suit. That separated the wheat from the chafe.
 
REELDOC said:
When I was training the hazmat folks at the hospital I spent a lot of time just helping them learn how to breathe with full face non-powered masks and filters, PAPRS and SCBA. The people on the team that were in good shape didn't do much better than the regular folks. They said they could really tell difference in powered vs. non-powered breathing.

Also, the very first thing I did with recruits is test them for claustrophobia. I would start with a mask a couple feet from their face and slowly move it in. The majority did OK until it touched their faces and then they had to fight the fear. Others freaked out at about a foot. When they went to level B I put a mask on them and zipped them up in a level B suit. That separated the wheat from the chafe.
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I've gotten a lot better. I used to have to hang out of a car window when going thru the Chesapeake Bay tunnels.....I mean hang half my body out! I hated that route.
 
REELDOC said:
When I was training the hazmat folks at the hospital I spent a lot of time just helping them learn how to breathe with full face non-powered masks and filters, PAPRS and SCBA. The people on the team that were in good shape didn't do much better than the regular folks. They said they could really tell difference in powered vs. non-powered breathing.

Also, the very first thing I did with recruits is test them for claustrophobia. I would start with a mask a couple feet from their face and slowly move it in. The majority did OK until it touched their faces and then they had to fight the fear. Others freaked out at about a foot. When they went to level B I put a mask on them and zipped them up in a level B suit. That separated the wheat from the chafe.
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Level B never bothered me but Level A SUCKED! A swear they always had our training in freakin’ July ... thank God we only pulled it every other year. By the time we got in the suits (we ran in 2’s with a a backup pair standing by) it was 120° in that damn thing.

For claustrophobic triggering we’d take and simply put a piece of a black garbage bag over the face shield of a full face respirator while they sat in a chair. We’d tell them to stand up and walk 5 steps straight ahead to the wall, touch it then turn around 180° and 5 steps back to the chair. They’d do that a couple times and you could see what level of control they had.
 
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