Trump moved to "ban" bump stocks

Matt.Cross said:
Of course! It's like how gun owners who primarily hunt with their traditional guns would be apoplectic if the antis came after the hunting guns first, but they're OK as long as it's just high-capacity mags up for extinction. Same principle; as long as my personal preferences aren't threatened, everybody else can take the hit in order to placate the antis.

ETA: I've got immediate family that thinks in that manner, I find it to be a shameful embarrassment indicative of a horrendous lack of foresight and perspective.
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Been dealing with this shit all week. One of them is even a guy who “served in the military and was a cop”who keeps talking about clips, deer hunting and punching holes in paper. The other is a “Lifetime NRA Voting Member, has been for 51 years!” and thinks no one should be allowed to own an AR-15 because it isn’t designed to kill deer, but people!

Makes my damn blood boil dealing with the enemy within.
 
Mike Overlay said:
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Although the Obama Administration repeatedly concluded that particular bump stock type devices were lawful to purchase and possess, I sought further clarification of the law restricting fully automatic machineguns.
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Trump said that Obama couldn't do it after trying repeatedly, but Trump would still make an effort. And when the effort fails, Trump will have done no worse than Obama.

Trump is systematically disarming the Democrats by removing their ability to call out Trump or Republicans on hot-button issues.

Democrats: Those nasty Republicans will not help the poor Dreamers.
Republicans: Democrats voted against a path to citizenship for Dreamers.​

I think we are seeing the same kind of tactic play out on gun control that Trump used to defuse immigration.
 
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I'd bet that in the future, if these same folks, who are now screaming for a ban on ARs, were being herded onto f*ing boxcars, they'd give anything to go back in time for a chance to wrap their paws around a handguard.
 
SPM said:
Been dealing with this shit all week. One of them is even a guy who “served in the military and was a cop”who keeps talking about clips, deer hunting and punching holes in paper. The other is a “Lifetime NRA Voting Member, has been for 51 years!” and thinks no one should be allowed to own an AR-15 because it isn’t designed to kill deer, but people!

Makes my damn blood boil dealing with the enemy within.
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Turn their own rhetoric on them, let 'em enjoy the taste of their own medicine; "I agree that there's been enough killing, that's why I think we ought to give up the hunting guns first. That'll make them happy for sure, with fewer innocent animals being killed!".

Be sure to have your protective gear in place when their heads explode.
 
Matt.Cross said:
Turn their own rhetoric on them, let 'em enjoy the taste of their own medicine; "I agree that there's been enough killing, that's why I think we ought to give up the hunting guns first. That'll make them happy for sure, with fewer innocent animals being killed!".

Be sure to have your protective gear in place when their heads explode.
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Yeah, nobody needs to hunt anymore. You can get anything you need at the grocery store. Stop being so cruel to Bambi.;)
 
SPST said:
Yeah, nobody needs to hunt anymore. You can get anything you need at the grocery store. Stop being so cruel to Bambi.;)
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Dang right, we aren't cavemen anymore. Time to be a progressive society, leave it to commerce & the government to determine what we should eat.
 
THIS is why my conscience wouldn't allow me to vote for Drumph.
He lacks principles and scruples.
Until the last 4 years he's been a DemoRat supporter.
A man lacking conscience and principle cannot be trusted.
He wants to write in a law (Congresses duty) to ban a plastic accessory that doesn't have a damned thing to do with mass murder. Nothing but SFB.
 
SPM said:
Been dealing with this shit all week. One of them is even a guy who “served in the military and was a cop”who keeps talking about clips, deer hunting and punching holes in paper.
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This is a lot of why you don’t see me getting on the bandwagon of treating cops and military veterans as being special or deserving of special compensation or consideration. We see it all the time, especially in social media. Someone get poor service at a store and they rant about how they were in the military, as if that makes a difference,

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THIS is why my conscience wouldn't allow me to vote for Drumph.
He lacks principles and scruples.
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I can’t think of many, if any, politicians that actually have scruples. The fact that they’re driven to politics makes them the problem. You see people either gain what they desire by earning it through their own labors and efforts or they engage in the political process to try to take it fr9m someone else.
 
noway2 said:
This is a lot of why you don’t see me getting on the bandwagon of treating cops and military veterans as being special or deserving of special compensation or consideration. We see it all the time, especially in social media. Someone get poor service at a store and they rant about how they were in the military, as if that makes a difference,


I can’t think of many, if any, politicians that actually have scruples. The fact that they’re driven to politics makes them the problem. You see people either gain what they desire by earning it through their own labors and efforts or they engage in the political process to try to take it fr9m someone else.
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Yeah, and usually the ones demanding the most special treatment are the ones who didn’t really do jack shit. The ones who sep’d out in Boot Camp, or stayed Stateside for their entire 2or 4 year hitch.....they’re usually the loudest ones in the pack.

Whenever I am afforded a military discount, I am gracious and say thank you, but I don’t go seeking it out. I don’t scour the “Vets eat free on Veterans Day!” ads, or ask everywhere if they offer a discount (for a huge order at Lowe’s or something like that I may utilize it, but not really for the day to day stuff).

With police, it’s the hero worship that began on 9/11/2001 and continued unabated for 15 years that serves as the opioid of their egos, such that any criticism means you hate police or don’t understand the struggle they go through everyday (which to military folks deployed overseas multiple times is laughable af).

There was a profound cultural shift on that September morning from skepticism of authority to adoration of authority that has yet to run its course.
 
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There was a profound cultural shift on that September morning from skepticism of authority to adoration of authority that has yet to run its course.
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That is why it is / was hotly debated as to whether the crisis began in 2001 or 2008. I believe, and I think the consensus is that it was in 2008 as that is when the “mood” shifted and winter arrived. 2001 was the peak of the decline and the peak of the crisis will be about 24 years later, which is normal if history is any indication,
 
SPM said:
Yeah, and usually the ones demanding the most special treatment are the ones who didn’t really do jack shit. The ones who sep’d out in Boot Camp, or stayed Stateside for their entire 2or 4 year hitch.....they’re usually the loudest ones in the pack.

Whenever I am afforded a military discount, I am gracious and say thank you, but I don’t go seeking it out. I don’t scour the “Vets eat free on Veterans Day!” ads, or ask everywhere if they offer a discount (for a huge order at Lowe’s or something like that I may utilize it, but not really for the day to day stuff).

With police, it’s the hero worship that began on 9/11/2001 and continued unabated for 15 years that serves as the option of their egos, such that any criticism means you hate police or don’t understand the struggle they go through everyday (which to military folks deployed overseas multiple times is laughable af).

There was a profound cultural shift on that September morning from skepticism of authority to adoration of authority that has yet to run its course.
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"Aye Aye, Sir"
 
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noway2 said:
I can’t think of many, if any, politicians that actually have scruples. The fact that they’re driven to politics makes them the problem. You see people either gain what they desire by earning it through their own labors and efforts or they engage in the political process to try to take it from someone else.
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Yup, 95%+ of them. We need leaders with principles and character.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
Yup, 95%+ of them. We need leaders with principles and character.
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I think there are a few politicians that actually believe in what they are doing, but unfortunately, most of them are on the wrong side of liberty, like Dianne Feinstein. Most of them just like the perks of office and will do whatever it takes to stay there. One notable exception in the NC state house is Larry Pittman from Cabarrus County, who is a great advocate of the Second Amendment. He took a lot of heat for us this week when he proposed a bill to arm teachers. I don't live in his district but I send him a check every election.
 
All you can do is to educate your representatives. It is not possible to ban bump firing. You can ban something that fits around the tube but you can't ban something that isn't connected like a curtain rod or a stick. So, effectively they are just banning rapid fire at rifle ranges and on private property since it is a technique and not a thing. Make your representative aware. They DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Just heeard PAT MCCRORY support the ban and he has NO IDEA what he is talking about.

I already tested curtain rods and they work just fine.

 
Matt.Cross said:
Turn their own rhetoric on them, let 'em enjoy the taste of their own medicine; "I agree that there's been enough killing, that's why I think we ought to give up the hunting guns first. That'll make them happy for sure, with fewer innocent animals being killed!".

Be sure to have your protective gear in place when their heads explode.
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Personally I don’t have any black guns. No shotguns either because they skirt the laws of weapons of mass distruction. And people are killing innocent coyotes because they are eating common house pets and attacking joggers. Coyotes have to eat too. What we should do is adopt coyotes from the humane society and covert them into reasonable indoor house pets. #housebreakacoyote
 
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While Trump was the lesser or 2 crappy candidates and we did get a good SCOTUS appointment ... I said it before the election Trump is not a Republican nor conservative. His book title gives insight into his political playbook also ... “The Art of the Deal”. Trump was “friends” with the Clintons in the 90’s (probably both sides did so for benefits not for true friendship), Trump and Son are hunters and gun owners but Trump years back said the AWB was a good idea and such ... to me he’s a Fudd ... but candidate Trump spoke of protecting the 2A (part of his “deal”???). With Vegas I thought I saw a little buckling in him on some things but Parkland has his “Deal Artist” coming though. It would not surprise me for him to cut a deal on ... Fix the NICS, Bump Fire Stocks, adding “lists” (like the terrorist no fly) to a “no buy list”, shift ages/wait periods/etc ... to make a deal on something and because he is a Fudd at most on the 2A.
 
NCFubar said:
While Trump was the lesser or 2 crappy candidates and we did get a good SCOTUS appointment ... I said it before the election Trump is not a Republican nor conservative.
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That word you're using, republican, it doesn't mean what you think it means :cool:
Most who label themselves as such support none of the values you attribute to it.

Fix the NICS, Bump Fire Stocks, adding “lists” (like the terrorist no fly) to a “no buy list”, shift ages/wait periods/etc ... to make a deal on something and because he is a Fudd at most on the 2A.
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True. Very true, but what he does will depend upon the polling if public opinion and how much he thinks he needs that support. A populist is a very dangerous animal.
 
wsfiredude said:
I'd bet that in the future, if these same folks, who are now screaming for a ban on ARs, were being herded onto f*ing boxcars, they'd give anything to go back in time for a chance to wrap their paws around a handguard.
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Yep and f*ckem. I love my older brother to death, but he falls in the fudd category. Least my younger brother finally got on board. Now if he sees the writing on the wall or not is a different story. Younger sister is a lost cause.

It funny, the second year we went hunting (2016) he asked me why I didn’t get a hunting rifle. Bitch my ar in 6.8 is my hunting rifle.

He told me that is not what he meant, and I told me what? Since it’s not a “traditional” Wood stock bolt action or lever action it’s not a hunting rifle? Pretty much shut him up about that
 
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wsfiredude said:
Reckon what puzzles me the most is how some folks think that if a ban on bump stocks is successful, that's where it'll end.

It won't.
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It hasn't ended since the start of the Jim Crow laws.

Earlier, even, if you want.
 
SPM said:
Yeah, and usually the ones demanding the most special treatment are the ones who didn’t really do jack shit. The ones who sep’d out in Boot Camp, or stayed Stateside for their entire 2or 4 year hitch.....they’re usually the loudest ones in the pack.

Whenever I am afforded a military discount, I am gracious and say thank you, but I don’t go seeking it out. I don’t scour the “Vets eat free on Veterans Day!” ads, or ask everywhere if they offer a discount (for a huge order at Lowe’s or something like that I may utilize it, but not really for the day to day stuff).

With police, it’s the hero worship that began on 9/11/2001 and continued unabated for 15 years that serves as the option of their egos, such that any criticism means you hate police or don’t understand the struggle they go through everyday (which to military folks deployed overseas multiple times is laughable af).

There was a profound cultural shift on that September morning from skepticism of authority to adoration of authority that has yet to run its course.
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I ask for military discounts whenever I think about it.

If they're going to offer a 10% discount or whatever, heck yeah I want it!
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Wrong answer. Gun control is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS about control of the PEOPLE, not the product.

In the real world, the MARKET is about control of "crap accessory" products.

Gun control is, always has been, and always will be about people control.
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wsfiredude said:
There may be many "pro-gun" folks that give in and give up their liberty, but there's a contingent that won't.
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Bump stocks are not about liberty lol. I am as pro gun as you can get and i don't care if they ban bump stocks. Bump stocks are not guns. Also, i don't have any issues making semi-autos like an AR going to 21 to purchase like we do handguns. These are reasonable changes. We also need to figure out how we keep letting crazy people buy guns and figure out how to stop that. Being unreasonable about law changes is ... well... unreasonable.

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Variable said:
Bump stocks are not about liberty lol. I am as pro gun as you can get and i don't care if they ban bump stocks. Bump stocks are not guns. Also, i don't have any issues making semi-autos like an AR going to 21 to purchase like we do handguns. These are reasonable changes. We also need to figure out how we keep letting crazy people buy guns and figure out how to stop that. Being unreasonable about law changes is ... well... unreasonable.

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You liberty much??
 
Variable said:
Bump stocks are not about liberty lol. I am as pro gun as you can get and i don't care if they ban bump stocks. Bump stocks are not guns. Also, i don't have any issues making semi-autos like an AR going to 21 to purchase like we do handguns. These are reasonable changes. We also need to figure out how we keep letting crazy people buy guns and figure out how to stop that. Being unreasonable about law changes is ... well... unreasonable.

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Ammo and mags aren't guns either. How do you feel about laws restricting those?

18 to vote and go to battle in the military, but 21 to buy a certain firearm? Seems contradictory.

Define crazy please. And exactly who gets to define crazy going forward? Sound silly, but people that are of the cult of global warming think people that disagree with them a re craxy. They would lock up their opponents. The crazy angle has some validity, but it opens the door to abuse, and a lot of people losing their individual rights.
 
Variable said:
Bump stocks are not about liberty lol.
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They are a firearms accessory. Contrary to the sh*t that is spouted in the media and by politicians, they do not transform a semi-automatic rifle into one that is select-fire.

Jefferson was clear when he penned, "...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Unalienable adj - unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.

So, yeah, bump stocks are about the liberty of pursuing one's happiness, i.e. they ARE about liberty...lol.


I am as pro gun as you can get and i don't care if they ban bump stocks.
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Talk about "lol".


Bump stocks are not guns.
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Exactly. They are an accessory for certain weapons. If we take what you've said and run with it, there should be no reason telescopic sights, trigger upgrades or external box magazines shouldn't be banned, right? After all, they're not firearms.


Also, i don't have any issues making semi-autos like an AR going to 21 to purchase like we do handguns.
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You can tote a rifle for Uncle Sam at 17 years of age, but, by all means...let's keep semi-automatic rifles out of the hands of those who haven't turned 21...or is it just ARs?


These are reasonable changes.
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NO, they are not. They are clear abrogations of liberty and fly in the face of our Republic's bedrock...the rights of the individual citizen.


We also need to figure out how we keep letting crazy people buy guns and figure out how to stop that.
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Yeah....because once they are forbidden to purchase a firearm, these shootings will cease. Meanwhile, they can scurry down to Lowes and buy a chainsaw, a machete at Home depot, an aluminum baseball bat at Academy or a 4000 pound weapon on wheels at an automobile dealership.


Being unreasonable about law changes is ... well... unreasonable.
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No, it's not. When free people, who put any value at all on liberty, are confronted with a direct attack on it, it is their duty to raise hell about it.


Way to gut stomp the Bill of Rights, there, honcho.:mad:

You know...keep thinking like you do and one day, they'll be coming after something you DO care for. Whatcha gonna do then? Don't whine/cry/scream/pitch a fit, because YOU asked for it.

Just occurred to me....if they do come for something you hold dear, there may be a lanky, 18 year old kid, with an AR in his hands and a gut full-o-liberty, that stands in the gap and says, "Nah..ain't happening."
 
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Variable said:
Bump stocks are not about liberty lol. I am as pro gun as you can get and i don't care if they ban bump stocks. Bump stocks are not guns. Also, i don't have any issues making semi-autos like an AR going to 21 to purchase like we do handguns. These are reasonable changes. We also need to figure out how we keep letting crazy people buy guns and figure out how to stop that. Being unreasonable about law changes is ... well... unreasonable.

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"Reasonable", my ass.

21 to exercise one's RKBA, but 18 to carry arms into battle at the government's whim?

There's a not-too-polite phrase or twelve I have for that kind of thinking.
 
Variable said:
Bump stocks are not about liberty lol. I am as pro gun as you can get and i don't care if they ban bump stocks. Bump stocks are not guns. Also, i don't have any issues making semi-autos like an AR going to 21 to purchase like we do handguns. These are reasonable changes. We also need to figure out how we keep letting crazy people buy guns and figure out how to stop that. Being unreasonable about law changes is ... well... unreasonable.

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Okay ... here’s a little sarcasm ... If a 18 yo can’t have good enough judgment to buy a semi-auto rifle they should not be able to vote so voting age needs to be raised to 21 yo also so take away those voters of which I think more than not today lean liberal.

Again ... laws do not prevent crimes ... they define & punishment for acts already committed.
 
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Trump did not ban anything, he can't do that. He asked DOJ to study the bump stock, Sen Feinstein said BATF can't ban them,
it will end up in courts for years.

Trump signed a memorandum directing Attorney General Jeff Sessions to propose
new regulations that would ban devices that can effectively turn legal weapons into machine guns.

We all know any bump stock can't make a semi auto firearm into a machine gun, the internal parts to do that are not installed.
The rifle cycles no faster with or without the bump stock. You just have to have a fast finger to do it, a custom trigger job also helps.

 
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Variable said:
Bump stocks are not about liberty lol. I am as pro gun as you can get and i don't care if they ban bump stocks. Bump stocks are not guns. Also, i don't have any issues making semi-autos like an AR going to 21 to purchase like we do handguns. These are reasonable changes. We also need to figure out how we keep letting crazy people buy guns and figure out how to stop that. Being unreasonable about law changes is ... well... unreasonable.

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Perhaps they didn't teach you the meaning of the word "Liberty" in the public schools. Allow me to enlighten you:

Definition of liberty
plural liberties
1: the quality or state of being free:
a : the power to do as one pleases
b : freedom from physical restraint
c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic (see despot 1) control
d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges
e : the power of choice

Terry
 
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