Terry
Baldy isn't Congress; Baldy is We, the People.
Congress is just the axe.
Terry
Totally agree.Until we fight this war on our rights as a total war, not just the battle for the 2nd but for freedom, we will never win.
There is a real road block in that freedom is contrary to the interests of just about every elected representative as well as those that makeup the potential representative pool. Freedom means, or at least requires, doing for yourself. Representatives are political entities. Those that can't achieve that which they desire by their own efforts and labors, instead try to do so through the political process. (From our enemy the state by Albert Knock).In other words, we need repeal of most of the 'regulations' that have been foisted on us by our 'elected representatives' since the start of the 20th century.
Why?
Why does he want to ban these?
What do they think it'll do to help the public?
And, how many of you wont vote for him again based on this decision/talk (even if it doesnt go through, he's showing he's pro-banning of accessories)
So alienate your base over it?He wants to ban them so he can get more ignorant soccer moms to vote for R's in the midterms and him in 2020. Very simple. It's the women. And their vote.
So alienate your base over it?
The RINOS already know that 99.9% of gun guys are gonna vote for any R over any D no matter how much they screw us. They've proven it election after election. They're not the least bit concerned about losing your vote. They also know that the NRA will always endorse any R over any D and that most members will vote the way the NRA tells them to. So, what's their incentive to do anything to protect, much less expand, our gun rights?
Terry
The RINOS already know that 99.9% of gun guys are gonna vote for any R over any D no matter how much they screw us. They've proven it election after election. They're not the least bit concerned about losing your vote. They also know that the NRA will always endorse any R over any D and that most members will vote the way the NRA tells them to. So, what's their incentive to do anything to protect, much less expand, our gun rights?
Terry
.................................... but how many will pull the lever for the D or a 3rd party over this?
No politician, of any party, is either the savior or the destroyer of the RTKBA. Whether it lives or whether it dies is entirely up to you and only you.
Each individual citizen has to make that choice.
Seems this could be said about NRA's defense of 2nd also.
Me. The only way the Rs will stop taking our votes for granted is if we stop giving it to them! Even if that means replacing them with a D.
Terry
Problem is when they ban the bump stock, and then someone, God Forbids, shoots a bunch of people again, they’ll then go after the weapon it’s self that the person used. They always have to blame objects instead of societies loss of morals, mental health failures, and individuals. Banning objects associated with our second amendment is always a bad idea, as it’s a slippery slope to give up liberty a little at a time.Bump stocks suck. I own one, I've used it a couple of times. If there was ever a gun accessory that was more useless to the intent of the 2A I can't think of one. It's not an issue I would hang my principled hat on.
I get very frustrated at threads like these.
I feel like some of you just want to sit and wait for the "perfect" candidate and in doing so, act like you're doing us all a favor.
I agree with you on the issues...I just don't see your way of going about it as helping...like, at all.
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^^^^THIS^^^^No one is waiting for the perfect candidate,as that person doesn't exist.
What many of us have done is stop making excuses for candidates whose actions are directly opposite of their rhetoric based on nothing more than the letter they appended to their name.
The fact that so many people continue to make excuses is the truly frustrating part.
About the only "compromise" I would be willing to make is to have a tiered form of shall issue carry permit that eliminates the "sensitive places" restriction on things like schools.
Nope, not just talk:Not to be a thorn in this discussion but has he actually proposed anything at all related to bump stocks? Could it be he was just spouting off at the mouth as he is known to do?
No one is waiting for the perfect candidate,as that person doesn't exist.
What many of us have done is stop making excuses for candidates whose actions are directly opposite of their rhetoric based on nothing more than the letter they appended to their name.
The fact that so many people continue to make excuses is the truly frustrating part.
FIFYAnd, how many of you wont vote for him this time either based on this decision/talk (even if it doesn't go through, he's showing he's pro-banning of accessories)
That was just the first part of the process. It will be a done deal by early next year.That’s from March 29, 2018 and the period for discussion ended in June 27th. So what is next?
That was just the first part of the process. It will be a done deal by early next year.
"Process for Issuing Final Rule
The Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. § 551 et seq., requires federal agencies to publish in the Federal Register a general notice of proposed rulemaking and give interested persons an opportunity to submit comments thereon. Agencies must consider and address all comments in the final rule. Even if the comments are primarily negative, agencies are free to adopt the proposals in the NPRM as long as the final rule addresses the comments and articulates a rational basis for the proposals adopted.
ATF officials advise they have detailed additional employees to the Office of Regulatory Affairs to assist in reviewing the comments. The agency hopes to complete their review and forward a draft final rule to the Department of Justice within the near future. Review at Justice is likely to take several months, then the final rule will be submitted to the Office of Management and Budget for review.
Pursuant to an Executive Order issued in 1993, the Office of Management and Budget has 90 days to review a final rule. The 90-day time period may be extended once for an additional 30-day period. Once OMB approves the final rule, it will be published in the Federal Register. The Administrative Procedure Act requires that the final rule be published not less than 30 days before its effective date, unless the agency articulates “good cause” for making it effective sooner. If ATF publishes a final rule banning bump-stock-type devices and requiring consumers to destroy them, the agency may delay the effective date beyond 30 days. This would afford possessors more time to comply with the destroy or surrender requirements. Consumers who continue to possess unregistered bump-stock-type devices after the effective date will risk criminal prosecution and/or seizure and forfeiture of the devices."
Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/07/re...f-prepares-to-issue-final-rule/#ixzz5TZJ2IYwP
Terry
I can speak for myself and say I'm certainly not making excuses, but I am confident in the fact that bump stocks are not going to keep me from supporting a president who has brought far more benefit to the country than we have seen in decades. That does not mean I am without criticism for him. We could go on the attack with him all day long, and I would probably agree on most points, but I am not a one issue voter and never will be.No one is waiting for the perfect candidate,as that person doesn't exist.
What many of us have done is stop making excuses for candidates whose actions are directly opposite of their rhetoric based on nothing more than the letter they appended to their name.
The fact that so many people continue to make excuses is the truly frustrating part.
NC Senators Burr & Tillis are good examples of what we're talking about here. They grudgingly throw us a few crumbs around election time but really wish we would go away. Only a single (R) keeps Dirty Dianne from controlling the Senate, and you would have a rabid foaming-at-the-mouth full-bore gun grabber writing legislation that would be difficult to stop and impossible to repeal.
I didn't like voting for Burr & Tillis, but if a Democrat was sitting in that seat, we wouldn't have Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. And for once, McConnell grew a pair, showed some leadership, and shoved it through. If "A Gun in every Classroom" ever makes it to the ballot, I'll give him my support. But when the choice is between "sometimes does the right thing for selfish reasons" and "will fervently work against us every time they get a chance", I'll take the first.
The recent Supreme Court battle was about guns more than any other issue. I believe that Kavanaugh's revenge against Dirty Dianne will come when he writes the opinion that strikes down California's unconstitutional gun laws.
.................. but I am not a one issue voter and never will be.
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That sounds cool and all, but it doesn't help in practicality. Absolutely every politician will flex their position to some degree, even our founding fathers criticized themselves the same way.I will always be a one issue voter. That one issue is FREEDOM. Without it, none of the other issues matter.
Terry
That sounds cool and all, but it doesn't help in practicality. Absolutely every politician will flex their position to some degree, even our founding fathers criticized themselves the same way.
We have made some great improvements in the last couple of years TOWARDS more freedom in many areas, and yet I continue just to hear a lot of bellyaching from a few.
Again, I really don't understand your aim. I'm assuming you're just waiting for the "reset" button to get pushed? - It will happen eventually either way. Are you kind of hoping for an attempted marxist revolution just to speed things along and start from the framework again? What's your goal? I'd like for some of you to lay out your gripes and tell me what can actually be done.
Outside of voting or an armed conflict, I'm not sure what's left anymore. We can't even agree on a Convention of States around here. That was pretty much the last viable option given to us before utter chaos.
I won't reinvent the wheel, so here is a current list, not all of which I agree with as being beneficial or "real" improvement, but many are. - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keepingI am no Trump hater, but where is all this new freedom?
ACA is still in effect.
And where is my damn wall? 16 child rapes/sexual assaults in NC in September by 9 illegal aliens. Yeah, that's fine.
http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/september-2018-child-rapes-by-illegal-aliens-in-nc/
BUILD THE WALL.
Those are the 2 things Trump ran on. He has about 2 more years to achieve them before his re-election campaign. Despite the humor in his tweets and joy at seeing Dems implode he will be judged on what he promised. And don't look now, but the shine is wearing off on our Fed induced stock market. He'll likely not want to brag about that too much longer. I am pulling for him, but he is in a heck of a spot right now.
I won't reinvent the wheel, so here is a current list, not all of which I agree with as being beneficial or "real" improvement, but many are. - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping
As mentioned in the article, $1.6B secured in funding for the wall.
Regulatory rollbacks
2 solid SCOTUS justices, and now his nominations for the 9th Circuit
Proposed support of decriminalizing marijuana at the federal level and giving States full jurisdiction (yet to be seen)
Renegotiation of NAFTA
Withdrew from the Iran deal
I could keep going.
Kavanaugh clerked for Justice Kennedy, and he is cut from the exact same cloth as his mentor. Kennedy was one of the key votes to uphold Roe v. Wade in the Casey decision, and he actually wrote the opinion for the case that legalized gay marriage in America.